1 00:00:02,210 --> 00:00:05,940 [Music] 2 00:00:10,629 --> 00:00:08,020 you are listening to the hidden trade 3 00:00:11,850 --> 00:00:10,639 show which in Breslau find us at hidden 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:11,860 truths show.com 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:14,330 follow us on Facebook Twitter and 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:17,570 Instagram that hidden truths show watch 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:19,970 our YouTube channel he didn't read show 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:22,610 please subscribe rate and review us 9 00:00:28,779 --> 00:00:26,650 under podcast em here's Jim Breslow 10 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:28,789 welcome back to the hidden truth show 11 00:00:33,130 --> 00:00:31,279 today we return to our space deep dive 12 00:00:36,850 --> 00:00:33,140 as we search for the truth behind the 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:36,860 tic-tac UFOs seen in the Navy videos one 14 00:00:40,060 --> 00:00:38,210 of the more fascinating parts of this 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:40,070 story has been the patent that was 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:42,770 issued to the Navy for a craft this he 17 00:00:46,750 --> 00:00:44,690 was very similar to the craft observed 18 00:00:49,510 --> 00:00:46,760 by the Navy pilots and shown in the 19 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:49,520 video the patent application was filed 20 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:53,480 in April 2016 and was granted by the 21 00:00:59,369 --> 00:00:57,110 Patent Office in November 2017 right 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:00:59,379 around the time that the videos surfaced 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:02,410 the inventor is identified as a Navy man 24 00:01:08,260 --> 00:01:06,530 Salvatori pace he was a mystery man who 25 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:08,270 many doubted was even a real person 26 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:10,610 until he surfaced recently answering 27 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:13,690 email questions from the drive website 28 00:01:19,029 --> 00:01:17,030 there is now a wikipedia page about him 29 00:01:21,249 --> 00:01:19,039 it states that he is an aerospace 30 00:01:25,419 --> 00:01:21,259 engineer and inventor who works at the 31 00:01:28,089 --> 00:01:25,429 Naval Air Station Patuxent River the 32 00:01:30,999 --> 00:01:28,099 patent is for a quote craft using an 33 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:31,009 inertial mass reduction device which can 34 00:01:36,850 --> 00:01:34,310 travel at extreme speeds the patent 35 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:36,860 envisions a hybrid aerospace undersea 36 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:38,840 craft which due to the physical 37 00:01:42,999 --> 00:01:40,819 mechanisms enabled with the inertial 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:43,009 mass reduction device can function as a 39 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:45,530 submersible craft capable of extreme 40 00:01:50,229 --> 00:01:48,110 underwater speeds this hybrid craft 41 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:50,239 would move with great ease through air 42 00:01:58,089 --> 00:01:55,009 space and water mediums the patent has 43 00:02:01,359 --> 00:01:58,099 raised lots of questions does it in fact 44 00:02:03,430 --> 00:02:01,369 describe viable technology why would the 45 00:02:05,919 --> 00:02:03,440 US reveal proprietary information in a 46 00:02:07,749 --> 00:02:05,929 patent application why did in the u.s. 47 00:02:10,389 --> 00:02:07,759 apply for the application be kept 48 00:02:12,729 --> 00:02:10,399 classified why did the Patent Office 49 00:02:14,619 --> 00:02:12,739 first deny the patent then change its 50 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:14,629 decision after receiving a letter from 51 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:18,049 the Navy's chief technology officer why 52 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:19,730 did the officer claim we would 53 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:21,590 have to pay China for the technology if 54 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:24,440 the patent is denied is this a 55 00:02:28,539 --> 00:02:26,090 disinformation campaign by our 56 00:02:31,449 --> 00:02:28,549 government are we trying to pretend that 57 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:31,459 we have something that we do not or by 58 00:02:35,740 --> 00:02:33,440 stating that the invention is only in 59 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:35,750 development are we perhaps pretending to 60 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:37,760 not have something that we actually do 61 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:40,640 have does the patent make it more or 62 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:42,680 less likely that the tic-tac UFOs are 63 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:46,310 actually us technology to answer these 64 00:02:51,009 --> 00:02:48,260 questions we turn to Ryan Krauss a 65 00:02:53,050 --> 00:02:51,019 physicist and patent attorney Krauss 66 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:53,060 strongly suspects the patent is part of 67 00:02:58,509 --> 00:02:56,530 a US military disinformation campaign 68 00:03:00,430 --> 00:02:58,519 before we get to the interview I want to 69 00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:00,440 update everyone on former Navy 70 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:03,140 intelligence specialist Mike turbo we 71 00:03:07,150 --> 00:03:04,760 launched this deep dive with our 72 00:03:09,309 --> 00:03:07,160 interview of turbo in which he claimed 73 00:03:12,130 --> 00:03:09,319 to have first-hand knowledge that the 74 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:12,140 tic-tac UFOs seen by the Navy in 2004 75 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:15,940 are incredible secret US technology and 76 00:03:22,930 --> 00:03:19,280 he hinted that he or at least his 77 00:03:24,909 --> 00:03:22,940 cellphone actually rode in one in this 78 00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:24,919 deep dive we have been investigating the 79 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:25,519 tic-tacs 80 00:03:31,659 --> 00:03:27,769 to try to determine what they are are 81 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:31,669 they earthly extraterrestrial altered 82 00:03:37,539 --> 00:03:34,310 consciousness' phantom technology or 83 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:37,549 from the future in the course of the 84 00:03:43,150 --> 00:03:39,620 deep dive we have had many guests come 85 00:03:44,830 --> 00:03:43,160 on and scrutinized turbo's claims he has 86 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:44,840 also received heavy scrutiny and 87 00:03:49,809 --> 00:03:47,930 criticism social media as I first 88 00:03:51,370 --> 00:03:49,819 reported here we asked Herbert to back 89 00:03:54,009 --> 00:03:51,380 up his claims by sitting for a 90 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:54,019 lie-detector test on our show he 91 00:03:58,300 --> 00:03:56,690 initially agreed to do it however we are 92 00:04:01,870 --> 00:03:58,310 two months down the road and have been 93 00:04:03,610 --> 00:04:01,880 unable to schedule this with him I hold 94 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:03,620 out hope that he will sit for the test 95 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:05,930 or present evidence to back up his 96 00:04:11,170 --> 00:04:08,930 claims also don't forget to become a 97 00:04:13,150 --> 00:04:11,180 subscriber of our show you'll get the 98 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:13,160 benefits of special emails episodes 99 00:04:18,129 --> 00:04:16,160 access to me and a hidden truth baseball 100 00:04:20,349 --> 00:04:18,139 cap and most importantly the good 101 00:04:23,379 --> 00:04:20,359 feeling that comes with supporting 102 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:23,389 independent media to fight back against 103 00:04:28,270 --> 00:04:26,150 the controlled media right now we have 104 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:28,280 two special episodes available for you 105 00:04:31,810 --> 00:04:29,990 and those of you that have been 106 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:31,820 following this deep dive you're going to 107 00:04:35,750 --> 00:04:32,940 especially like that 108 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:35,760 one is the Daily Star interview of Mike 109 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:38,070 turbo listen closely to how he answers 110 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:39,810 those questions as you consider his 111 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:42,360 credibility and we have the second half 112 00:04:46,100 --> 00:04:44,370 of the jacks are Fadi interview in which 113 00:04:48,410 --> 00:04:46,110 he shares details of his Russia 114 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:48,420 connection provides additional thoughts 115 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:50,880 about the tic-tac technology and goes on 116 00:04:56,090 --> 00:04:53,570 to provide his theory on the universe 117 00:04:58,310 --> 00:04:56,100 you can listen to both of those episodes 118 00:05:01,000 --> 00:04:58,320 on patreon you just got to become a 119 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:01,010 subscriber for $5 a month go to 120 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:09,060 patreon.com/scishow and we'll get one of 121 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:12,210 those baseball hats sent out to you okay 122 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:14,700 now for our interview with physicist and 123 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:16,320 patent attorney Ryan Krauss 124 00:05:22,970 --> 00:05:19,050 what was your broad reaction to the 125 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:22,980 patent I mean if you just look at the 126 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:26,790 patent on the surface it's it's not an 127 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:29,520 unusual patent from its layout and stuff 128 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:31,560 it does have some strange features you 129 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:33,120 know for one thing the background is 130 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:34,860 almost twice as long as the description 131 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:38,970 of the invention one of the reasons that 132 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:40,560 is is they put a lot of the theory of 133 00:05:45,260 --> 00:05:42,720 how it works in the background which is 134 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:45,270 a surprising place to put that I would 135 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:48,090 expect it in the description of the 136 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:50,810 actual invention the other thing is 137 00:05:55,190 --> 00:05:53,460 you've only got four claims in the whole 138 00:05:58,580 --> 00:05:55,200 application that's all it was filings 139 00:06:00,020 --> 00:05:58,590 with normally for something especially 140 00:06:02,659 --> 00:06:00,030 on this where you're not seeing a lot of 141 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:02,669 art there's not a crowded area you would 142 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:04,650 expect that they take full advantage of 143 00:06:10,159 --> 00:06:07,770 the twenty claim allowed by the Patent 144 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:10,169 Office without imposing additional fees 145 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:13,860 and you just don't have that here you 146 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:16,110 have four claims you don't even have 147 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:17,970 some of the obvious aspects that you 148 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:20,910 would want to include them there like 149 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:23,610 that the inner wall is insulated you 150 00:06:30,860 --> 00:06:27,530 don't see that in the claim so there's 151 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:30,870 some oddball there but you know nothing 152 00:06:34,970 --> 00:06:33,090 totally out of line well let's start 153 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:34,980 with your comment about there's being so 154 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:36,630 much in the background and you would 155 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:41,240 have put that into what the description 156 00:06:46,310 --> 00:06:43,380 yeah the description of the invention 157 00:06:46,650 --> 00:06:46,320 because really talking the basis of how 158 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:46,660 the 159 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:49,710 and supposed to work to be honest do 160 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:52,300 doosenberry there's any reason you think 161 00:06:59,730 --> 00:06:54,670 they may have done it that way or just 162 00:07:02,130 --> 00:06:59,740 not the best lawyer in or what I I don't 163 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:02,140 know what their thought was I mean in a 164 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:04,270 way it's it's theory that was already 165 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:07,330 out there so it is background like 166 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:11,650 usually since it's directly affecting 167 00:07:15,780 --> 00:07:13,450 what I'm saying is how the invention 168 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:15,790 operates you would go ahead and put that 169 00:07:19,950 --> 00:07:17,440 in the description because that's what 170 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:19,960 you're taking advantage of background is 171 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:22,420 usually here's what's been done before 172 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:25,090 and none of this is really what's been 173 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:27,520 done before as far as an apparatus like 174 00:07:33,650 --> 00:07:29,770 this do we know who the attorney was 175 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:33,660 that wrote this well it's on the cover 176 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:38,200 turning agent firm is more code what new 177 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:40,680 CAD I don't I don't really know him but 178 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:43,810 is he with the Navy or it looks like 179 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:49,480 he's private practice I did not - I did 180 00:07:59,700 --> 00:07:53,950 not look into that I'll be be honest and 181 00:08:02,400 --> 00:07:59,710 I wouldn't do so let's talk about 182 00:08:04,409 --> 00:08:02,410 government patents for a second okay 183 00:08:06,690 --> 00:08:04,419 seems kind of an odd thing to me I 184 00:08:10,050 --> 00:08:06,700 hadn't really ever delved into this 185 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:10,060 before that the US government can patent 186 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:12,370 things is the US government treated just 187 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:14,530 like any private individual or company 188 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:16,930 when it comes to being able to patent 189 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:20,800 things yes certainly videos the various 190 00:08:26,060 --> 00:08:22,630 arms of the government can compassion 191 00:08:30,659 --> 00:08:26,070 things just like any individual can 192 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:30,669 generally the the government's 193 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:32,260 restricted on what I can do as far as 194 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:37,270 copywriting information so you'll see on 195 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:39,880 some of the documents that they put out 196 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:41,740 that it's you know there's no copyright 197 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:44,140 is claimed but as far as patents they 198 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:46,720 can they can through the Department of 199 00:08:54,090 --> 00:08:48,490 Energy through the Navy and stuff they 200 00:08:56,130 --> 00:08:54,100 do thing patent and to get a patent 201 00:08:57,570 --> 00:08:56,140 issued I think this is one of the 202 00:09:00,579 --> 00:08:57,580 biggest questions that pertain to this 203 00:09:04,650 --> 00:09:00,589 how viable does the invention 204 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:04,660 has to be okay 205 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:10,790 the patent has to work now in the 206 00:09:17,259 --> 00:09:12,529 prosecution they quote something that 207 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:17,269 says that you know that it can be 208 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:18,110 passion 209 00:09:22,090 --> 00:09:19,910 yeah a case where it says it can be 210 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:22,100 patented even though it doesn't work but 211 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:24,170 what they're really saying that that 212 00:09:32,319 --> 00:09:29,170 case they're referring to is that the 213 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:32,329 the applicant doesn't have to prove that 214 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:35,360 it works he just has to prove that the 215 00:09:40,420 --> 00:09:37,910 foundation for it is firm and that 216 00:09:42,009 --> 00:09:40,430 people would that people filled in the 217 00:09:43,929 --> 00:09:42,019 art would pretty much know that this is 218 00:09:46,119 --> 00:09:43,939 something that will work I'm not quite 219 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:46,129 sure that falls in this area now the 220 00:09:49,929 --> 00:09:48,290 other side of that is although it has to 221 00:09:52,809 --> 00:09:49,939 work it doesn't have to work well 222 00:09:56,499 --> 00:09:52,819 there's nothing in patenting that says 223 00:09:58,269 --> 00:09:56,509 that there is going to be any kind of 224 00:10:03,879 --> 00:09:58,279 level of performance any kind of 225 00:10:05,499 --> 00:10:03,889 economical level so you know a tional II 226 00:10:08,619 --> 00:10:05,509 see something that says so good its 227 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:08,629 patented well the patent is not any 228 00:10:12,879 --> 00:10:10,790 indications of merit it's just impatient 229 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:12,889 that it's an invention and it has a 230 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:16,730 youthful active aspect and so even even 231 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:19,370 this even if it didn't work to do 232 00:10:24,579 --> 00:10:21,670 exactly what they said as long as it had 233 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:24,589 some function you could claim that it 234 00:10:30,249 --> 00:10:27,649 was useful and and had utility and 235 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:30,259 therefore could be patented the question 236 00:10:34,749 --> 00:10:32,480 raised by the examiner and the question 237 00:10:38,290 --> 00:10:34,759 that comes up from this is whether it's 238 00:10:40,689 --> 00:10:38,300 enabled and that is not whether it'll 239 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:40,699 work but whether anybody could build it 240 00:10:44,499 --> 00:10:42,889 based on what's disclosed in this patent 241 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:44,509 and really you're looking at one skilled 242 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:46,790 in the art but still you have quite a 243 00:10:53,049 --> 00:10:50,689 few holes I think as far as being able 244 00:10:55,269 --> 00:10:53,059 to build it so from a legal perspective 245 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:55,279 what is the when it comes to viability 246 00:11:02,590 --> 00:10:58,370 was the legal standard in order to get a 247 00:11:05,470 --> 00:11:02,600 patent issued okay so what said it has 248 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:05,480 to be be in an area that you think it's 249 00:11:12,189 --> 00:11:07,970 good either you can prove that it works 250 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:12,199 or that it reasonably should work so now 251 00:11:15,060 --> 00:11:13,360 than that 252 00:11:17,130 --> 00:11:15,070 to be disclosed so that one skilled in 253 00:11:19,949 --> 00:11:17,140 the arts could build it without what's 254 00:11:21,090 --> 00:11:19,959 called undue experimentation so if they 255 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:21,100 have to spend a lot of time developing 256 00:11:28,170 --> 00:11:25,570 stuff it's not really there in this case 257 00:11:30,889 --> 00:11:28,180 what the patent examiner pointed out was 258 00:11:33,540 --> 00:11:30,899 I had to do with the emm field and said 259 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:33,550 no they're you know the largest iam 260 00:11:39,810 --> 00:11:37,510 enfolded it's much less than what what 261 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:39,820 you're saying need in here the largest 262 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:43,480 emn field ever built magnetic field ever 263 00:11:50,630 --> 00:11:47,290 built and so nobody skilled in the art 264 00:11:54,569 --> 00:11:50,640 moves how to build an e unfilled VESA 265 00:11:56,699 --> 00:11:54,579 accomplishes this they replies with 266 00:12:00,139 --> 00:11:56,709 certain documents and that kind of an 267 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:00,149 odd aspect because they reply with 268 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:03,700 publications by the inventor that 269 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:06,570 occurred after the filing date of this 270 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:09,970 strictly speaking even if those enabled 271 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:12,310 the invention and chill Didache an email 272 00:12:16,769 --> 00:12:14,440 build could build since they were 273 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:16,779 documents after the filing date they 274 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:18,550 could not enable this invention they 275 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:20,260 would have had been documents before the 276 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:21,850 filing date because one skilled in the 277 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:23,649 art would have known about those 278 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:25,839 documents at the time that the invention 279 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:29,529 was filed you I've got other holes there 280 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:36,960 they claim the inner wall and the outer 281 00:12:47,250 --> 00:12:40,660 wall for this chamber and I believe your 282 00:12:50,939 --> 00:12:47,260 guest recently businesses Jeff Jack's 283 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:50,949 our party's death yeah a party I was 284 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:52,720 talking about that when he was talking 285 00:12:55,259 --> 00:12:54,310 about the meta materials that could be 286 00:12:58,050 --> 00:12:55,269 used for this 287 00:13:00,960 --> 00:12:58,060 but then indicated that the exact minute 288 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:00,970 materiality that would be needed for 289 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:03,310 them had not been made yet and would 290 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:05,470 require a lot of experimentation to make 291 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:08,980 the fact that they don't disclose any 292 00:13:12,810 --> 00:13:11,050 material that can be used for it they 293 00:13:17,490 --> 00:13:12,820 don't point out it any kind of material 294 00:13:19,079 --> 00:13:17,500 and from from Jeff we get some material 295 00:13:21,689 --> 00:13:19,089 that could be used hasn't them developed 296 00:13:25,139 --> 00:13:21,699 would kind of imply the Thurs that this 297 00:13:27,689 --> 00:13:25,149 hasn't been able to man from a undue 298 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:27,699 experimentation 299 00:13:33,629 --> 00:13:30,250 so you agree with Cervantes comment that 300 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:33,639 this invention would require meta 301 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:38,680 materials I haven't looked into the 302 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:41,050 physics back deeply I would be surprised 303 00:13:45,660 --> 00:13:43,600 that you could build the chamber and get 304 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:45,670 this result out of a normal material 305 00:13:51,420 --> 00:13:48,610 what Jack or Jessica thought he was 306 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:51,430 saying as far as needing a certain index 307 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:53,230 of refraction and stuff to make a lot of 308 00:13:58,290 --> 00:13:55,660 sense but I have not gone back through 309 00:14:02,160 --> 00:13:58,300 to look at the real hard science on it 310 00:14:04,319 --> 00:14:02,170 and sounds like based on your review of 311 00:14:07,769 --> 00:14:04,329 the patent you're somewhat surprised 312 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:07,779 that the government was able to get it 313 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:12,610 issued i I am somewhat surprised I think 314 00:14:19,740 --> 00:14:14,980 the examiner had good arguments that it 315 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:19,750 wasn't enabled as I said they came back 316 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:21,100 with arguments but part of their 317 00:14:25,439 --> 00:14:23,740 arguments were based on documents that 318 00:14:28,439 --> 00:14:25,449 would enable it that shouldn't have been 319 00:14:30,749 --> 00:14:28,449 considered and then apparently the 320 00:14:34,579 --> 00:14:30,759 letters from the Navy the Declaration 321 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:34,589 and letter from the Navy which in itself 322 00:14:39,870 --> 00:14:38,230 is kind of an interesting document oh 323 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:39,880 yeah we're gonna go through I want to go 324 00:14:46,199 --> 00:14:42,610 through that letter with you this is the 325 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:46,209 letter dated December 15th to 2017 where 326 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:48,940 it's the CTO the chief technology 327 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:51,130 officer of the Navy that makes a direct 328 00:14:57,540 --> 00:14:55,750 appeal to the patent examiner who was on 329 00:15:00,980 --> 00:14:57,550 the verge I guess of denying the patent 330 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:00,990 and he writes just a one-page letter 331 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:03,850 that would it appear from your review of 332 00:15:09,319 --> 00:15:06,370 the file that this was the letter that 333 00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:09,329 turned things around 334 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:11,920 well you don't know it was it was on 335 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:15,060 appeal what happens is the examiners 336 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:17,500 reviewed the application at that point 337 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:20,889 he makes a rejection the applicant has a 338 00:15:27,499 --> 00:15:23,410 chance to respond I mean the claims if 339 00:15:33,569 --> 00:15:30,900 he's lots of times after that either an 340 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:33,579 allowance for a final rejection in this 341 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:35,560 case it was a final rejection on the 342 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:37,930 same basis that the invention was not 343 00:15:45,889 --> 00:15:40,240 enabled they appealed 344 00:15:49,319 --> 00:15:45,899 at that point the examiner can either 345 00:15:53,009 --> 00:15:49,329 change his mind which is what he did and 346 00:15:55,109 --> 00:15:53,019 allow the case or he can file a response 347 00:15:59,100 --> 00:15:55,119 to that replied reason examiner's answer 348 00:16:01,530 --> 00:15:59,110 and it can go forward to appeal usually 349 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:01,540 what happens as I understand it is the 350 00:16:04,290 --> 00:16:02,889 examiner will go in and talk to his 351 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:04,300 supervisor about the case and whether 352 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:07,689 they want to go ahead and appeal you're 353 00:16:13,259 --> 00:16:11,529 looking at this and this letter if I 354 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:13,269 would think that I would not move me off 355 00:16:18,660 --> 00:16:16,929 my my basis so to be clear the examiner 356 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:18,670 up until the point of the letter was 357 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:21,699 saying that this patent is not enabled 358 00:16:26,249 --> 00:16:23,790 and to be clear when you say is not 359 00:16:29,249 --> 00:16:26,259 enabled saying that it would still take 360 00:16:36,449 --> 00:16:29,259 too much experimentation to be able to 361 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:36,459 actually create this yeah okay so what 362 00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:40,929 in the letter by the CTO would have told 363 00:16:45,389 --> 00:16:42,579 this patent examiner that 364 00:16:53,369 --> 00:16:45,399 oh it's more enabled than I had given it 365 00:16:58,789 --> 00:16:53,379 credit for I'm not clear on that the 366 00:17:02,280 --> 00:16:58,799 first line of the letter includes that 367 00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:02,290 that the CTO says I agree with your main 368 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:04,750 point the examiners main point that this 369 00:17:09,809 --> 00:17:07,510 is this mode of acceleration slash 370 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:09,819 movement is beyond the state of the 371 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:12,909 possible at least the president should 372 00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:14,740 that if something that beyond the state 373 00:17:18,569 --> 00:17:16,990 of the possible at the present should 374 00:17:21,299 --> 00:17:18,579 that in and of itself be grounds for 375 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:21,309 rejecting a patent application it would 376 00:17:27,449 --> 00:17:24,010 depend kind of what I meant on that it 377 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:27,459 might be that it would take so much 378 00:17:32,159 --> 00:17:29,950 energy to do it that it could be done 379 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:32,169 but it would just not be financially 380 00:17:37,380 --> 00:17:34,840 feasible or practical to carry it out in 381 00:17:39,930 --> 00:17:37,390 which case that would not be around a 382 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:39,940 basis for denying the patent but given 383 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:44,440 that you know it starts out with dr. PS 384 00:17:49,649 --> 00:17:47,350 has shared your views of his patent 385 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:49,659 disclosure and I agree with your main 386 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:54,160 point it kind of implies that 387 00:17:59,010 --> 00:17:56,710 somebody filled in the art could not 388 00:18:03,150 --> 00:17:59,020 produce the electromagnetic field 389 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:03,160 without undoing experimentation that it 390 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:04,360 would be beyond what's currently 391 00:18:14,030 --> 00:18:10,960 possible without a lot of work yeah 392 00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:14,040 so the CTO is making an admission there 393 00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:17,500 that was damaging to his chances but 394 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:21,000 then later in the letter he says 395 00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:24,040 regarding paste the inventor he is 396 00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:26,200 currently one year into the project and 397 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:27,520 has already begun a series of 398 00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:30,690 experiments to design and demonstrate 399 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:34,270 advanced high energy density high power 400 00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:38,320 propulsion systems tell me if you find 401 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:43,630 that significant well I might but the 402 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,330 next sentence is if the desired results 403 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:48,160 are not achieved due to the samples 404 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:51,010 charge he will move move to using a 405 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:53,410 super capacitor and the spinning test 406 00:18:56,790 --> 00:18:55,630 that said so he's still experimenting 407 00:19:00,510 --> 00:18:56,800 with this he's still trying to figure 408 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:00,520 out how to do it this is so he you're 409 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:02,980 kind of indicates the doctor honey for 410 00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:07,240 that yes anyone but that he's still 411 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:09,040 experimenting with it but he hasn't 412 00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:13,210 hammered it out yet right just a 413 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:16,600 paragraph about that it also talks about 414 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:21,250 dr. P Adams experiments but it says 415 00:19:25,410 --> 00:19:23,920 again it's successful the realization of 416 00:19:27,390 --> 00:19:25,420 this result demonstrates that this 417 00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:27,400 patent document the future state as a 418 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:30,670 possible and move propulsion technology 419 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:33,100 beyond gas dynamics blah blah blah once 420 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,200 again is it successful so there's a lot 421 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:40,720 of this letter that says that nothing's 422 00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:43,300 been tested and carried out and that it 423 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:45,760 still is gonna require a lot of testing 424 00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:47,980 to figure out exactly how to do it yeah 425 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:51,790 I I had that line highlighted that says 426 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,830 as far as describing what they're trying 427 00:20:00,540 --> 00:19:56,080 to achieve and that is something that 428 00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:00,550 quote moves propulsion technology beyond 429 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:04,240 gas dynamic systems to field induced 430 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:07,730 propulsion based field induced 431 00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:10,130 propulsion based hybrid aerospace 432 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:13,640 undersea craft i mean you know first of 433 00:20:20,110 --> 00:20:17,080 all that's pretty pretty stunning 434 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:20,120 statement but if i'm understanding that 435 00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:21,410 correctly they're talking about 436 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:24,380 inventing something where gas-powered 437 00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,860 engines would no longer exist uh yeah 438 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:32,720 they're talking about the exact same 439 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:34,750 thing is in the patent and inertialess 440 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:39,280 mass drive that they can operate under 441 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:43,520 gravity and inertia principle yeah 442 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:46,490 pretty stunning potential invention here 443 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:47,810 though right something that's going to 444 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:50,360 replace the gas engine and presumably 445 00:21:00,490 --> 00:20:55,520 all craft would use this type of new 446 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:00,500 propulsion system I think you know 447 00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:03,290 replacing all craft is probably a little 448 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:05,480 beyond what's going to happen you know 449 00:21:09,630 --> 00:21:07,370 assuming it worked exactly and they 450 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:09,640 could implement it replacing all craft 451 00:21:15,670 --> 00:21:13,760 anytime soon would be would be beyond 452 00:21:19,870 --> 00:21:15,680 what you would think kind of beyond the 453 00:21:21,490 --> 00:21:19,880 pale but certainly the types of movement 454 00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:21,500 you'd be talking about with inertial and 455 00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:23,240 strive with open all sorts of 456 00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:26,540 possibilities if you can have astronauts 457 00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:28,190 in there that are not subject to inertia 458 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:30,070 then you don't have to worry about 459 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:33,290 acceleration speed which you which you 460 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:36,230 have to worry about now on craft because 461 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:37,940 the human body is only going to take so 462 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,010 much acceleration and so you can 463 00:21:49,390 --> 00:21:45,280 potentially get to the places that 464 00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:49,400 amazing speeds and it opens a world of 465 00:21:54,670 --> 00:21:52,700 possibilities and based on your physics 466 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,680 background do you have any assessment of 467 00:22:04,030 --> 00:21:57,200 this does this seem you pass the smell 468 00:22:05,860 --> 00:22:04,040 test to you you know I dream of me 469 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:05,870 always like to to think that say you 470 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:07,970 know we can get to a place where we are 471 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:12,800 basically manipulating gravity I you 472 00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:14,450 know the practical part of me says 473 00:22:18,010 --> 00:22:16,160 there's a lot of hurdles and I have a 474 00:22:20,170 --> 00:22:18,020 hard time believing that right now we 475 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:20,180 are at a state where we can manipulate 476 00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:21,210 it well enough 477 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:24,600 we make a craft that does this and I 478 00:22:27,889 --> 00:22:26,370 think I said that this way to Jack and I 479 00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:27,899 think he said I was saying right Jack's 480 00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:30,299 a fraud mr. Fadi am I correct that the 481 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:33,840 concept here is a craft that creates its 482 00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:37,289 own gravitational field that has the 483 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:39,270 effect of negating the Earth's 484 00:22:46,419 --> 00:22:44,460 gravitational field I yeah I would not 485 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:46,429 think it would be really so much 486 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:49,260 negating that it's just generating a 487 00:22:56,299 --> 00:22:50,970 different gravitational field around 488 00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:56,309 itself so within there you may not feel 489 00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:58,500 the effects of the Earth's gravity 490 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:00,600 because of the gravitational field it 491 00:23:06,889 --> 00:23:03,450 creates of course Earth's gravity field 492 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:06,899 would still be there so it's a some 493 00:23:14,299 --> 00:23:10,169 extent within the ship itself you would 494 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:14,309 be negating it but um you wouldn't it's 495 00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:16,110 not like you're still wouldn't still be 496 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:19,980 all around the craft and basically it 497 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:21,809 would be trading the field before it and 498 00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:24,510 maybe potentially behind it so as to 499 00:23:30,019 --> 00:23:28,470 manipulate that good space and inertia 500 00:23:31,549 --> 00:23:30,029 to move gotcha 501 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:31,559 so it creates kind of a zero gravity 502 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:35,970 field around it right and then and then 503 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:37,740 how does it propel itself if you could 504 00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:39,929 describe that in layman's term based on 505 00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:44,880 your review of the patent well you know 506 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,830 it's if you're falling you're falling 507 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,440 under the effects of a gravitational 508 00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,320 field the Earth's gravitational field so 509 00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:55,919 it's not inconceivable that you if 510 00:24:00,080 --> 00:23:58,500 you're generating if you can make no 511 00:24:01,549 --> 00:24:00,090 fields you can make some kind of 512 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:01,559 positive bill the head of it which 513 00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,140 basically stops the craft in the 514 00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:06,840 direction it's heading aha fascinating 515 00:24:11,299 --> 00:24:10,020 that's the first on board okay a light 516 00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,309 bulb just kind of went on in my head the 517 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:13,919 way you just described that so just like 518 00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,110 you can fall to earth the Earth's 519 00:24:20,659 --> 00:24:17,940 gravitational pull is sucking you to 520 00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:20,669 earth the gravity force can pull you 521 00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,360 forward or backwards etc yes that's 522 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,640 wherever you're creating the the pool of 523 00:24:30,769 --> 00:24:28,080 the gravity gravity field 524 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:30,779 it would now all in that direction now 525 00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:33,450 there's a maximum speed by which you can 526 00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,160 fall I don't know 527 00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:36,720 what they call that or what that number 528 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:41,670 is do you know well is the terminal 529 00:24:47,270 --> 00:24:44,430 velocity yeah maximum seat you can fall 530 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:47,280 in at earth and that's basically due to 531 00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:52,080 air friction so potentially I don't know 532 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:53,940 how this gravitational field interacts 533 00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:56,850 with air and that is an interesting 534 00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,210 component there might be some maximum 535 00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:01,740 speed within the atmosphere you can go 536 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:05,460 just because of however interaction with 537 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:07,350 air and friction does that mean in 538 00:25:16,670 --> 00:25:13,340 thinner air you can fall faster oh yes 539 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:16,680 if the earth had no atmosphere and you 540 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:19,050 were falling then you would continue to 541 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:21,270 gain gain speed until you splat it into 542 00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:23,310 the earth as it is you start getting 543 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:25,830 counting air friction and that that 544 00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:28,980 stops you from gaining just blossom 545 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:31,020 until you hit at some point you're at 546 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:32,640 the maxing boss if you can get cuz the 547 00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:33,870 earth pushing you back up 548 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:36,840 but isn't the the air thinner the higher 549 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,290 in the atmosphere Wow so does that mean 550 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:42,960 that terminal velocity varies if you 551 00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:45,690 jump out of a plane at 30,000 feet do 552 00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:48,270 you fall faster you know when you're 553 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:49,950 higher up and start slowing down as you 554 00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,490 get closer to Earth exact speed I'm 555 00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,320 generally what's going to happen is 556 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:03,960 you're going to keep gain speed until 557 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:06,450 you to get enough atmosphere that it's 558 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:09,210 going to eventually bring you to go stop 559 00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,680 if you're going too fast 560 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:13,260 yeah the air could start slowing you 561 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,970 down at that one so does that concept 562 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:20,880 apply when you talk about we'll just 563 00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:22,290 call it the tic-tac this potential 564 00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:26,340 invention moving around if it's creating 565 00:26:33,620 --> 00:26:29,670 its own gravity would there but but yet 566 00:26:35,780 --> 00:26:33,630 it is traveling through air does that 567 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:35,790 mean there'd be a limit on the speed of 568 00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:37,650 this and that it would be limited by 569 00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,100 terminal velocity occasionally I don't 570 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:43,500 know what's that I don't know off the 571 00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,050 top of my head how that gravitational 572 00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:48,900 field interacts with the air 573 00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,070 well I guess the other issue to choose 574 00:27:01,600 --> 00:26:53,760 the earth has X amount of gravity what 575 00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:01,610 is that that's G 1 1 G yeah one day so 576 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:04,350 if something had something had a 577 00:27:14,740 --> 00:27:08,730 thousand G would that cause an object to 578 00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:17,420 yeah with with a greater gravitational 579 00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:19,190 field you will get greater acceleration 580 00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:23,400 okay and higher speeds ultimately mm-hmm 581 00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,520 that's why on the moon you know they do 582 00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:29,580 that kangaroo hopping and fall back 583 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:31,020 slowly because the moon has 584 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:33,150 substantially less mass it has much 585 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:36,570 gravitational field so that that's where 586 00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:39,390 you get virtually unlimited speed 587 00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:43,559 potential depending on how many G's you 588 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:50,070 create with this craft exactly but then 589 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:52,650 the question arises does that gravity 590 00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:55,170 you're generating ahead of you that's 591 00:28:01,040 --> 00:27:58,110 kind of field how that interacts with 592 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:01,050 the air because presumably the air right 593 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:02,760 outside of it's going to be attracted by 594 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:04,050 that 595 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:08,580 Aled interacts with other particles all 596 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:10,110 right let's go back to one let's go back 597 00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,530 to one other thing in the letter where 598 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:15,480 it's where he essentially concludes 599 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:18,990 China is already investing significantly 600 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:21,690 in this area and I would prefer we hold 601 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:25,760 the patent as opposed to paying forever 602 00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:28,410 paying forever more to use this 603 00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:31,500 revolutionary technology is that really 604 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:33,720 an accurate statement if the US 605 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:35,490 government has a patent on this can that 606 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:38,250 can we use that against China and vice 607 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:43,710 versa well the thing is a US patent is 608 00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,110 granted by the US government and it's 609 00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:48,179 only going to apply to activities in the 610 00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,630 United States similarly a Chinese patent 611 00:28:58,220 --> 00:28:53,520 is issued by the Chinese government only 612 00:29:00,980 --> 00:28:58,230 applies to activities in China if the 613 00:29:02,780 --> 00:29:00,990 Chinese government wants to enforce a 614 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:02,790 patent on technology 615 00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,150 in the US they have to get a US patent 616 00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:08,520 to it there's various treaties in 617 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:10,350 operation so that they follow one in 618 00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:13,250 China they could then file one in the US 619 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:17,580 but ultimately you've got the government 620 00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:21,780 involved and you know if it really 621 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:24,540 becomes a national security aspect 622 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:27,150 they're going to just invalidate that 623 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:30,210 patent if it's really truly important 624 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:32,730 for national security or they're not 625 00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:33,870 going to grant it in the first place 626 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,900 they'll slap a security risk on it as 627 00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:38,820 soon as it comes in and it will languish 628 00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:45,270 forever so you know if the Chinese have 629 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:48,830 get a US patent then people in the u.s. 630 00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:51,150 they can enforce it against people in 631 00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,260 the US they can't it's not a matter of 632 00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,360 paying forever because patents have a 633 00:30:03,650 --> 00:29:59,820 20-year lifetime from data filing so 634 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:03,660 it's not forever and like I said if it's 635 00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,170 truly gets to an important area like 636 00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:09,120 this that would be national security I 637 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:10,440 don't think the Chinese would ever get a 638 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,330 patent allowed here 639 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:14,880 so I don't think we'd ever get a patent 640 00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,910 allowed in China on it this so this 641 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:19,740 statement that he makes at the end is 642 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:24,990 really a naive statements I've been with 643 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:27,210 the US isn't potentially subject to 644 00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:30,900 paying China for this technology if 645 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:32,900 China develops it first 646 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:36,210 yeah and you know in the course of her 647 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,140 normal circumstances I would say yes if 648 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,480 the Chinese got a patent under the US 649 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:45,120 system people including the US 650 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:48,870 government would be obligated to pay for 651 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:51,030 use under the patent however is the 652 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:52,800 practical aspect when you get to 653 00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:54,630 something like this that is such a 654 00:31:01,520 --> 00:30:59,580 military and security issue the patent 655 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:01,530 it is overstated because the patent 656 00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:03,930 would never get issued if it's really 657 00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:07,680 valuable yeah I mean there would have to 658 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,980 be actually be a Chinese patent that was 659 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:12,480 pending that's competing with with this 660 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:16,110 one which he's not referring to that and 661 00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:18,090 Oh Lord our first file system so 662 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:21,059 presumably anything the Chinese filed 663 00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:23,730 directly on this now would would be 664 00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:26,280 subject to this patent okay what about 665 00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:32,070 the fact that the Navy itself has video 666 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:36,030 of something that appears to be what is 667 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:39,750 being described in this patent and this 668 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,049 this video goes back to 2004 it's my 669 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,600 understanding that you have to file a 670 00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:47,760 patent within X period of time I think 671 00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:50,280 it's a year you can correct me within a 672 00:32:01,100 --> 00:31:57,120 year of discovery that's more or less 673 00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:01,110 right with certain qualifications really 674 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:06,419 that if you do certain activities if you 675 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:09,210 publish it if you offer it for sale 676 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:12,150 etc then you have a year period to get 677 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:16,260 the patent if you make it you see it 678 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:18,510 viable and don't do any kind of 679 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:21,750 commercial activity with it arguably you 680 00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:23,610 could wait longer to file your patents 681 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:25,950 as long as you don't run any of the art 682 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:27,690 ordering things like publication or 683 00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:30,750 offer for sale okay hold on I stop you 684 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:31,860 there because that's that's that's 685 00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:34,890 fascinating so you're saying it's 686 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:38,160 possible it's I know it's all sounds 687 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:39,809 crazy but this whole thing is pretty 688 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:42,210 crazy it's possible that the US Navy 689 00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:44,130 could have been flying them around in 690 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:49,169 2004 on a test basis and then decides to 691 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:51,750 patent it in 20 forget when these are 692 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:53,730 filed 2017 initially something like that 693 00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,480 and and theoretically that would be okay 694 00:33:02,240 --> 00:32:59,760 the the the as long as they didn't make 695 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:02,250 commercial use of it they could be okay 696 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:04,710 file for something years later they 697 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:07,770 potentially you know pretty much 698 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:10,730 qualified as testing it and development 699 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,410 yeah they could look they could late 700 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:16,440 through 10-15 years do you about of 701 00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:17,970 course you've got an inherent 702 00:33:23,510 --> 00:33:20,270 contradiction because you've got the CTO 703 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:23,520 saying we're testing this whereas in 704 00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:28,290 2004 they're actually flying it yeah no 705 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:29,460 I I said 706 00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:31,770 potentially they could have started 707 00:33:36,919 --> 00:33:34,200 testing in 2004 and still be testing and 708 00:33:39,019 --> 00:33:36,929 perfecting it and uh and it filed in the 709 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:39,029 in-between time because they think at 710 00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:43,049 that point is viable then you do have 711 00:33:48,919 --> 00:33:47,309 the question of a why they filed a 712 00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:48,929 patent you wanted to really want to tell 713 00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:53,240 people what they were doing and B I 714 00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:56,279 didn't you know why didn't they enable 715 00:34:01,279 --> 00:33:57,960 it more so they had a stronger patent 716 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:01,289 that they were issuing yeah so let's 717 00:34:05,899 --> 00:34:03,929 touch on that first question what what 718 00:34:08,419 --> 00:34:05,909 is your thinking regarding the fact that 719 00:34:10,659 --> 00:34:08,429 the Navy disclosed was willing to openly 720 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:10,669 disclose all this in this patent and 721 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:14,510 isn't it correct that you can file a 722 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:17,690 patent under some type of 723 00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:21,510 confidentiality so that it's not seen by 724 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:25,080 the public you can file the patent 725 00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:28,530 application under a non publication 726 00:34:33,619 --> 00:34:30,599 request so that the application is not 727 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:33,629 seen eventually if the patent issues it 728 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,089 gets published and it is seen okay 729 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:37,679 potential after issue 730 00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,050 okay I'd never knew that okay so bottom 731 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,240 line if you want the thing issued it's 732 00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,359 going public at that point yeah and 733 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:48,119 sorry didn't issue do we know did they 734 00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,089 apply initially to keep this protected I 735 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:55,740 did not see that in there but I did not 736 00:34:59,599 --> 00:34:57,750 directly look at the process of teaching 737 00:35:02,839 --> 00:34:59,609 history to see if they requested 738 00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:02,849 non-publication okay so that I know that 739 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,359 that would standardly be granted and it 740 00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,520 was published as an application so it 741 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:10,020 does not appear that they requested it 742 00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:14,640 no that's kind of weird right yeah I 743 00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:17,460 mean the whole thing could be you know 744 00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,040 more or less a red herring to redirect 745 00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:21,599 people's attention here while they're 746 00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:26,190 doing something else yeah it has is the 747 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:40,980 government known to do that again I mean 748 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:48,070 might that also be an explanation for 749 00:35:57,980 --> 00:35:52,650 how this patent examiner working for the 750 00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,990 US Patent Office changes direction in 751 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:00,300 response to a letter from the CTO from 752 00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:03,930 the Navy where the the letter really 753 00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:06,720 didn't provide any strong basis for for 754 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:08,040 granting it beyond what was already 755 00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:14,370 submitted yet he turns around it could 756 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:17,340 be I think from this from the examiner's 757 00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,260 standpoint I mean a he may not want to 758 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:24,420 get in bed with somebody higher up on 759 00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,640 the government food chain and he is B if 760 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,560 the government really wants the patent 761 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:34,680 the issue and you know from his 762 00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:38,160 standpoint if it's not enabled it's 763 00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:40,020 probably never really a problem because 764 00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:43,320 nobody's ever going to do anything under 765 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:45,150 that under the patent that's going to 766 00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:47,550 cause the patent to be litigated or 767 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:50,040 anything yeah yes if nobody can make it 768 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:52,370 can actually make the invention then 769 00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:54,690 nobody can get sued for infringement it 770 00:37:01,000 --> 00:36:57,180 never becomes an issue yeah I mean it 771 00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:01,010 certainly seems like if it was Joe Schmo 772 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:05,190 creating this in his garage versus the 773 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,970 US Navy backed by a letter from the 774 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:10,800 chief technology officer of the Navy 775 00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,210 talking about the national security 776 00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:15,780 needs of this visa V China that the 777 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,430 Patent Office is going to treat one a 778 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:18,480 little bit differently than the other 779 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:27,180 even though it shouldn't so as you look 780 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:30,030 at this is that kind of where your head 781 00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:34,830 is going on it that this is essentially 782 00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:40,140 disinformation campaign I it could be I 783 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:42,840 did kind of look up the inventor on it 784 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:48,380 he has several several other patents so 785 00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:53,850 one also got basically a rejection based 786 00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:57,270 on enabling not being enabling 787 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:02,880 and did eventually get issued another 788 00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:06,210 one also got a rejection on not being 789 00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:10,100 enabling and was eventually abandoned so 790 00:38:15,830 --> 00:38:14,280 you know so she has a few other patents 791 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:15,840 I did not see that they got the same 792 00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:18,180 kind of one still pending and hasn't 793 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:21,150 been examined and I didn't didn't see 794 00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:22,710 anything in the others that kind of went 795 00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,620 down the same rabbit hole and one of 796 00:38:33,460 --> 00:38:27,540 them had pertained to this whole room 797 00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:35,690 superconductor conductor was that the 798 00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:37,380 one that was great was that the one that 799 00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:46,440 was granted let me see if I made no to 800 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:50,520 that real quick that certainly seemed to 801 00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:53,010 be the most interesting of the others I 802 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:54,540 know there was also a seem to be the 803 00:39:03,140 --> 00:38:56,970 most interesting but I believe that was 804 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:03,150 the one that was abandoned what it was 805 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:06,090 and is it your understanding what's the 806 00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:08,670 relationship between that and the 807 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:11,990 tic-tac craft this this type of 808 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:25,460 yeah sorry back up a little bit I 809 00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:27,180 believe it was the one on microwave 810 00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:32,100 generation that was granted and and the 811 00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:35,640 one on superconducting was abandoned 812 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:39,480 after the rejection the microwave 813 00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:42,390 generation falls right into this one as 814 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:45,660 far as generating the microwaves needed 815 00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:48,570 and the in unfilled for producing this 816 00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,430 the superconductor is probably a little 817 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:55,920 less related but I could certainly see 818 00:40:00,320 --> 00:39:58,170 that it would fit in with trying to make 819 00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:00,330 a system that's going to have very high 820 00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:04,350 yen and bills and stuff in an economical 821 00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:07,260 manner because certainly anything you 822 00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:08,940 can do to get down resistance is going 823 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:11,099 to make such processes 824 00:40:15,789 --> 00:40:13,650 more economical and more viable mm-hmm 825 00:40:18,469 --> 00:40:15,799 and this whole room-temperature 826 00:40:20,299 --> 00:40:18,479 semiconductor I just read something as I 827 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:20,309 was preparing that the highest 828 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:22,950 temperature superconductor was operating 829 00:40:30,259 --> 00:40:26,880 at negative 70 degrees Celsius and that 830 00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:30,269 this would really be revolutionary to be 831 00:40:35,809 --> 00:40:32,220 able to have it more at room temperature 832 00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,819 I don't understand that at all so are 833 00:40:39,979 --> 00:40:38,640 you able to explain the significance of 834 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:39,989 doing something at room temperature 835 00:40:44,779 --> 00:40:42,650 versus negative 70 degrees and how 836 00:40:50,539 --> 00:40:44,789 significant of an invention that would 837 00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:50,549 be for the world oh yeah you know 838 00:40:57,769 --> 00:40:55,950 basically when you get to do a lot of 839 00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:57,779 machinery a lot of equipments when you 840 00:41:06,289 --> 00:41:01,140 get to monorails that float by nm and go 841 00:41:08,029 --> 00:41:06,299 by an e/m pulses you know the limiting 842 00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,039 Park in that is the fact that 843 00:41:12,259 --> 00:41:09,839 electricity running through a wire has 844 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:12,269 resistance kind of like the resistance 845 00:41:16,459 --> 00:41:13,650 of rubber in your hand across the table 846 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,469 it slows it down it dissipates the power 847 00:41:21,799 --> 00:41:19,440 and the energy in there over long 848 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:21,809 distances when you get to superconductor 849 00:41:25,309 --> 00:41:23,910 you're basically talking something that 850 00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:25,319 doesn't have that resistance so it's 851 00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:27,109 conducting all that electricity without 852 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,119 losing virtually no power so it suddenly 853 00:41:35,539 --> 00:41:32,880 makes everything more efficient it makes 854 00:41:37,759 --> 00:41:35,549 it easier to create those magnets that 855 00:41:42,799 --> 00:41:37,769 are going to lift the monorail and do it 856 00:41:44,989 --> 00:41:42,809 over long distance and so the trouble is 857 00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:44,999 if you have to add it at minus 70 to do 858 00:41:49,549 --> 00:41:46,950 that it's not very practical to keep 859 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:49,559 whole monorail at minus 70 over a long 860 00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,450 distance if you can do it at room 861 00:41:56,539 --> 00:41:53,640 temperature suddenly it becomes much 862 00:41:58,519 --> 00:41:56,549 more practical and then same thing goes 863 00:42:01,579 --> 00:41:58,529 then for a craft that would be flying 864 00:42:04,269 --> 00:42:01,589 like the tic-tac yeah same thing goes 865 00:42:06,289 --> 00:42:04,279 for there you wouldn't have necessarily 866 00:42:09,529 --> 00:42:06,299 long-distance but you get other effects 867 00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:09,539 from superconductors that you can do and 868 00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,700 all that is easier when you don't have 869 00:42:15,709 --> 00:42:13,680 to maintain a refrigeration system to 870 00:42:20,959 --> 00:42:15,719 keep it cold so this is kind of a holy 871 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:20,969 grail of energy production and are we 872 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:23,130 talking this is this is considered 873 00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:27,270 well superconductor wouldn't be a 874 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:31,660 nuclear energy nuclear energy Lisa she 875 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:34,450 was talking nuclear fusion has to do 876 00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:38,950 with basically doing what the Sun does 877 00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:41,940 to generate it's like and heat and 878 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:44,080 you're doing that in a controlled 879 00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:48,640 environment to do that though the modern 880 00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:51,640 theories would say that you need in EM 881 00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:55,000 fields to be Payne the nuclear reaction 882 00:42:58,650 --> 00:42:57,100 because you're not going to have steel 883 00:43:00,090 --> 00:42:58,660 or other equipment that's going to be 884 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:00,100 able to contain the heat and the energy 885 00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:02,830 releasing so the idea is that you could 886 00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:04,750 do that with magnetic fields that's 887 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:06,280 where the superconductors come in 888 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:08,170 because they could generate the kind of 889 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:10,870 magnetic fields you need to instigate 890 00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:14,080 the nuclear fusion and again this this 891 00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:16,660 room temperature concept is is the Holy 892 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:16,960 Grail 893 00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:18,730 is that a good way of putting it and 894 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:23,080 there's tons of yeah as far as materials 895 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:25,650 go what you want is a room temperature 896 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:28,510 superconductor that would get your names 897 00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:31,570 in the books and uh would revolutionize 898 00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:35,670 quite a few things and this guy 899 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,550 Salvatori pace if that's every we're not 900 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:40,720 sure how to pronounce it either but we 901 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:44,730 think it's pace does he seem to have the 902 00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:49,690 intellectual chops and background to be 903 00:43:58,050 --> 00:43:56,140 the guy who came up with this I I don't 904 00:44:01,500 --> 00:43:58,060 I don't know I don't know him personally 905 00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,510 and I haven't I haven't reviewed his 906 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:03,280 papers I believe this one patents but I 907 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:04,630 kind of looked around at the other 908 00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:08,590 patents but you know the trouble with 909 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:10,200 patents you really want to go to his 910 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:13,180 technical papers the trouble of patents 911 00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:16,810 is they are usually whatever the dinner 912 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:20,190 said channeled through a patent attorney 913 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:22,810 so the patent attorneys drafting this 914 00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:24,910 based on what he's told the inventor 915 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:28,420 read reviews it so you've got a bit of a 916 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:33,690 distance there you know he he has values 917 00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:37,150 you know he thought well in there 918 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:38,470 whether what 919 00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:41,710 it's all accurate I you know that that's 920 00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:43,060 a complete scientific study you don't 921 00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:46,030 have an errand taken so perhaps to kind 922 00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:48,580 of sum it up and then Michael may have a 923 00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:54,640 question for you but to sum it up what 924 00:45:02,010 --> 00:44:56,670 we see in these videos that have been 925 00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:02,020 released from 2004 and 2015 I assume 926 00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:03,160 you've seen some of the videos are 927 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:06,190 generally aware of them I mean I am I am 928 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:09,550 correct to say that that is essentially 929 00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:13,210 kind of what is being described by pace 930 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:17,440 in this patent certainly that would be 931 00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:19,240 one explanation for what what's out 932 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:23,200 there I mean what's in the videos if it 933 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:25,690 would be something that this thing that 934 00:45:30,839 --> 00:45:27,250 this kind of craft would be able to 935 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:30,849 behave like quick turns quick movements 936 00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:39,720 potentially underwater again I would you 937 00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:41,380 know my only question surrounds there is 938 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:43,480 how the the gravitational building 939 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:45,010 erupts you know acts with the water 940 00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:48,310 whether you're really truly avoid a 941 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:50,140 frictional element there still have it 942 00:45:53,790 --> 00:45:51,280 so you might be more limited in 943 00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,800 underwater that doesn't necessarily mean 944 00:45:58,260 --> 00:45:55,740 it can't be used underwater but 945 00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:58,270 ultimately where you're going to get the 946 00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:02,170 biggest benefit is out in space thank 947 00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,900 you again to Ryan cross thank you to our 948 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:06,400 producer Michael Parker thank you all 949 00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:08,050 for listening we'll be back next week 950 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:15,420 thank you for listening at the injured 951 00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:18,130 show with Jim Breslow you can find us at 952 00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:21,430 hidden truths show com follow us on 953 00:46:26,340 --> 00:46:23,830 Facebook Twitter and Instagram 954 00:46:28,680 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